LINDA TRIPP
Q: OK. How much about your relationship with the president did you tell Linda Tripp?
A: A lot. Most everything.
Q: OK. And did you tell her about the sexual encounters that you had with him?
A: Yea.
Q: Did you also tell her about the emotional encounters and the gifts?
A: Yes.
Q: Were you truthful about the relationship when you told Linda Tripp about it?
A: Most of the time, but sometimes -- there were occasions when I wasn't truthful.
Q: Were you truthful about the sexual parts of the relationship with her?
A: Yes.
Q: And what about the emotional component, when you would tell her -- and why don't I say before December of 1997, were you truthful about the emotional components of the relationship?
A. Yes.
HER MOTHER
A JUROR: Ms. Lewinsky, before you go into that, I just remember you saying something with Linda Tripp, you know, what was not the truth, OK? And I just remembered, was one of the things that you told her, that you gave your mother the blue dress, one of the untruths or was that true?
THE WITNESS: I don't know if I ever told Linda I gave my mom the blue dress. One of the things I did say was that I gave everything to my mom, so that probably included that and that was not true. I didn't give the evidence to my mom. My mom never hid the dress. She didn't know it was in New York.
A JUROR: OK.
THE WITNESS: So she didn't know anything about it.
A JUROR: I've got one of those questions that goes along with what she just said.
A JUROR: OK. Fine. That's that idea. That topic.
A JUROR: How much did your mom really know?
THE WITNESS: She knew -- she knew that I was having a relationship with the president. She knew that -- she knew that I was certainly emotional about it and that it made me miserable a lot and that sometimes I was elated and sometimes I was miserable, but I didn't -- you know, I -- I might have said something to her like, "We fooled around," but I -- not -- she didn't know as much as I led Linda to believe she knew. Is that --
PAULA JONES
Q: At some point, did you talk with him about possibly settling the Paula Jones case?
A: Yes, I had -- I had had a thought and then had a conversation with Linda about this and just a way that he could settle the case and I suggested it it to him.
Q: And what was that way? Hot in a lot of detail, but _.
A: The gist of it is, I thought that first Mrs. Clinton should do something publicly, maybe on a TV. show or something, and talk about how difficult the case had been for her and on her daughter and that she just wished that he would settle it and it would go away. And then the president should unannounced and unexpectedly go into the briefing room, make a brief statement that he -- in an effort to put this behind him, you know, against his attorneys' advice, he was going to pay Ms. Jones whatever it was, however much she wanted, and so that this case would be over with.
Q: Did the two of you talk about how much the settlement amount would be or might be?
A: Yes. I believe at some point I had mentioned that I had recently read the -- I think she had lowered her -- the amount that she wanted to $500,000 or something lower and he said, "I thought it was a million or two million dollars."
And I thought that was Very strange, that he wouldn't know she had -- you know, that her lawyers -- or his lawyers had not told him that she had lowered her request for money. Or I don't know how you say that legally, whatever it is that she did.
Q: Right. Demand. probably.
A: The demand was lower.
VERNON JORDAN
Q: I think you also said you feel some -- I don't know if this is the reason you don't remember it, but you have expressed to us that you feel some guilt about Vernon Jordan. Is that correct?
A: Mm-hmm.
Q: That's a yes?
A: Yes.
Q: OK. Can you tell us why that is?
A: He was the only person who did what he said he was going to do for me and -- in getting me the job. And when I met with Linda on the 13th, when she was wearing a wire, and even in subsequent or previous conversations and subsequent conversations, I attributed things to Mr. Jordan that weren't true because I knew that it had leverage with Linda and that a lot of those things that I said got him into a lot of trouble and I just -- he's a good person and _.
Q: Is one example of -- and then I'll leave this topic, is one example of one of the things you told Linda that isn't true, "I told Vernon Jordan no job, no affidavit"? Something along those lines?
A: Yes. Because Linda made me promise her that on the 9th.
Q: OK. Of January?
A: Of January.
A JUROR: I'm a little confused. When you said that you said certain things because you know Linda had the mike, right?
THE WITNESS: Oh, I didn't know Linda had the mike. I now know that she was wearing a wire.
A JUROR: OK. But so why would you say these things about Mr. Jordan that were not true? What was the reason?
THE WITNESS: Because -- I had -- from some of my conversation with Linda. I started to think that she was a little bit jealous that Mr. Jordan was helping me get a job in New York and that I was leaving the Pentagon and that -- she had remarked one time that -- that, you know. Mr. Jordan who is the most powerful, you know, man in this city got me my attorney and she -- she thinks that she only had -- you know, this dinky attorney or something like that.
And I was -- I was so desperate for her to -- I was -- for her to not reveal anything about this relationship that I used anything and anybody that I could think of as leverage with her. I -- her, the president, my mom, everybody. I mean, not her, but Mr. Jordan, the president, my mom. Anybody that I thought would have any kind of influence on her, I used.
Does that answer your question?
A JUROR: Well, it doesn't. I guess what I'm trying to figure out, OK, is what was that going to accomplish? Was that going to make her -- what?
THE WITNESS: Well, specifically, with the statement about I won't sign the affidavit until I get the job, is that I had a conversation with Linda, which we'll probably get to _.
EMMICK: I hope.
THE WITNESS: Oh. On January 9th and in that conversation, she had told me she had changed her mind. she was going to be vague on the truth about Kathleen Willey and then she told me -- at that point, I had told her I hadn't signed an affidavit when I had and I told I didn't have a job yet and I knew I was probably going to be getting a job that day.
And she said, "Monica, promise me you won't sign the affidavit until you get the job. Tell Vernon you won't sign the affidavit until you get the job because if you sign the affidavit before you get the job, they're never going to give you the job."
And I didn't want her to think that I had gone ahead and done anything without her and that I was leaving her in the dark. I wanted her to feel that -- sort of Linda and myself against everyone else because I felt like I needed to hold her hand through this in order to try to get her to do what I wanted, essentially.
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