Sunday, December 14, 2003

Readers respond on debate over gay marriage

The following are letters in response to the Dec. 7 Forum pro/con, "Should we ban gay marriage?" Rep. Bill Seitz and Cincinnati attorney Scott Knox wrote opposing views.

Gay marriage no threat

The Enquirer asks two attorneys, "Should we ban gay marriage?" Bill Seitz says yes. Why would he discourage two persons from promising each other to be their loving companion, as long as both shall live, forsaking all others?

I have celebrated many such services between same-sex couples who commit themselves in marriage, and I find no difference in the quality and care of their commitments.

Scott Knox says no. Not to grant gays and lesbians the same rights we all enjoy serves no "societal purpose." He is right.

The Rev. Harold Porter, Presbyterian Church (USA), North Avondale


Laws of right, wrong shape gay marriage

Should we ban gay marriage?

My question is, "Do you believe in a supreme being who has established a "natural" law and a "moral" law to which all will one day be held accountable?" If your answer is, "No, there is no such being," what laws are to be obeyed and why?

What is to prevent the "powers that are" from creating their own laws and their enforcement? Blacks may be enslaved (and have been); Jews, Christians - undesirables of any kind - may be executed (and have been), for there is no ultimate, "higher source" of accountability.

To profitably discuss matters of gay rights, gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, etc., there must first be a point of mutual agreement from which to proceed. I see that point as being clear and unambiguous as to what we each believe about the existence of a supreme being and ultimate accountability. Otherwise, legal issues remain subjective to personal preference. There can be no "objective" approach to discussion if there is no starting point of mutual agreement.

Jack Schuler, Madeira


God's plan includes homosexuals, too

This is in response to the Forum column by Rep. Bill Seitz of Green Township ("Ban means stability in our society," Dec. 7).

I believe that God has planned and created all human beings. God gave each of us our nature. Some of us God made heterosexual and some God made homosexual. And God gave each of us a desire for intimate sexual love and fulfillment to be found in a bond of committed love for life. Heterosexuals find this fulfillment in a partner of the opposite sex. Homosexuals find this fulfillment in a partner of the same sex. The gays and lesbians that I have met are among the finest human beings I have known.

Those like Seitz, who in their self-righteous arrogance choose to deny God's plan for the homosexual, will be condemning themselves to hell because they chose to make God in their own image and likeness. Fortunately God is a merciful God and will forgive those who repent even of this self-idolatry.

Richard Middendorf, Monfort Heights


Gay marital success might best straights'

I have been happily married for more than four decades. If all my gay and lesbian friends decided to get married tomorrow, it would not affect my marriage one whit. In fact, I would wish them well, and hope they have a better success rate than we "straights" have managed to achieve.

That wouldn't be too hard to do.

Kathy Fryer Helmbock, Oakley


Borgman's cartoon feeds scare tactics

Jim Borgman's Dec. 8 cartoon on gay greeting cards is good for a quick chuckle, I suppose. But beyond that it's disappointing, because unlike most of Borgman's work, it feeds the fears of those susceptible to conservative scare tactics.

The woman at the card stand appears none too pleased, as if a new and unnecessary disruption has entered her life. This no doubt pleases Ohio Rep. Bill Seitz, who warns that granting justice and dignity to committed gay relationships will somehow destabilize our society.

In reality, a section of gay-themed greeting cards shouldn't bother anyone, and it wouldn't need to be as large as Borgman portrays it.

John C. Brennan, Clifton


Gay relationships are an abomination

Scott Knox wrote in to say, "Gay rights are no threat to marriage," and now Bonnie Meyer ("Same-sex marriage essays beneficial," Dec. 9) wants us to understand that gays only want the "lack of availability" found in marriage.

No one wants to open their eyes to reality: that gay and lesbian unions are an abomination to everything that's decent and moral. It's not a matter of equality but depravity of the mind by those who are drawn in to that lifestyle. We now have children (preteens) who say they know that they are gay. How absurd! Society is headed down the road of destruction yet continues to ignore the warning signs along the way.

Neil A. Geyer, Hamilton


Seitz simply misreads history

It is scary to know that a Paleolithic thinker like Rep. Bill Seitz ("Ban means stability in our society," Dec. 7.) is in the legislature. That some voters may agree with him is spooky. Stability is the virtue of stones. Dogs, cats and salamanders procreate by tradition. Mr. Seitz misreads history.

Interdenominational marriage was once nontraditional. Interracial marriage used to be called "unnatural." Maybe people who can't distinguish between slippery slopes and committed folks shouldn't be in office.

Bruce Schultz, Cold Spring


Ohio, Cincinnati are places of shame

While I love the place where I was born and raised, I'm deeply saddened and ashamed of the clear message sent by the state of Ohio and the city of Cincinnati to its gay and lesbian citizens - you are not welcome or accepted here

In 40 years, gays and lesbians will have long since been granted the right to marry as well as all other basic civil rights owed to every citizen. I will tell my grandchildren stories of a dark, shameful secret in Cincinnati's past, and they will look at me incredulously, as if I had just told them that black people once weren't allowed to drink from white water fountains.

Jamie Carr, Norwood

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